Dr. Cates: Hi there. I’m Dr Trevor Cates. Welcome to The Spa Dr. Podcast. On today’s podcast, we’re covering how to upgrade your brain for maximum energy. My guest is Dr. Ryan Wohlfert, who helps patients elevate their health and energy at his multiple chiropractic nutrition and wellness clinics. He’s the co-creator and host of the Super Human Brain masterclass, bringing together the world’s top neuroscientists, brain researchers, doctors and biohackers to uncover proven solutions to upgrade the brain to high energy and performance. He also found and upgraded parents.com to help people, especially parents, heal and upgrade their brain for maximum energy, performance and longevity. In this interview, we cover solutions for failing energy, brain fog, and poor focus. So instead, you can achieve better energy and performance now and as you continue to age. So please enjoy this interview.

Dr. Cates: Dr. Ryan is so great to have you on my podcast. Welcome.

Dr. Wohlfert: Oh, thanks for having me. I’m glad we could set this up.

Dr. Cates: Yeah, so I know you’ve got a personal journey. Your story like so many of us do that led you to specialize in what you do. So can you start by telling everybody, sharing that that story?

Dr. Wohlfert: Yeah. You know, I mean I think it started back when I was a kid, but even the biggest one, I was in 2008 and it led me into the whole brain realm even though it didn’t start in that spot. I remember my grandma, one of my grandmas getting diagnosed with pancreatic cancer and over the next three to four months just seeing how her health declined and how she basically wasted away. And I was already, you know, a doctor I was already in practice for for years, but that really hit home with what she was going through. And also what my parents were going through. And you know, basically my grandma’s kids, my aunts and uncles were going through watching what was happening with her and that’s where I decided, you know what? I want to make sure that not only me but like me personally take care of my health to the best of my ability. Because at that point I was, you know, watching my posture and spine because I’m trained as a chiropractor and I wasn’t even thinking nutrition yet. I was just exercise and fitness related. And sleep wasn’t even on the radar. And mindset really was not on the radar. But then that spurred me into it. You know what, I need to incorporate all this into my journey and then also the journey of my patients and especially parents. And we’ll talk more about that as why I like specializing in helping parents upgrade their brain energy, their performance and longevity so they can enjoy their life. But that was the first step there. And then as time went on, well, six years ago now, so that was back in 2013 my wife was actually struggling and this is where it got more brain related, where she was just exhausted. She would get enough sleep but still feel exhausted. She was overwhelmed by everything that was going on in her life, responsibilities with the kids and work. And she’s a doctor herself. So she was feeling guilt that why was this happening to me? You know, this is where we started digging into even nutrition part of it and the sleep part of it and finding out, okay, what is the process and what is the system that we could use to help her regain her health, regain her energy, regain her brain function. And it even affected her skin. That was one of the first signs that she noticed was acne. She’d have severe acne and normally she had really nice, really clean skin. So again, we knew something wrong and through some through testing and through again basically trial and error with her, what worked, what didn’t. And then we, you know, able to put a program together for her. And now that I use with a lot of other patients and clients. But yeah, so that was, I mean it’s my personal journey through the eyes of my family, but I’ve always been good at, you know, trust me, I’ve had issues with, with my brain. Like for me it was migraine headaches way back in the eighth grade, which is somewhat of a brain issue, and nerve issue up in the neck and went through treatments with that. And I still to this day I know how to not let that affect my life. If I do for some reason get a Migraine, if I put too much stress in my brain and I’m on my body to cause my body and brain to break down to where for me my weak link is migraines, I could get a migraine with that. With somebody else, it could be acne, it could be Eczema. I just talked to a lady this week, same thing she said, that’s the overload on her body. It got to a point to where now she’s starting to get Eczema and skin issues and we relate it back to what is happening in the entire body and in the brain.

Dr. Cates: So let’s talk about why the brain is so important. Why do you think the brain is so important?

Dr. Wohlfert: Well geez, well there’s nature. I love looking at nature for clues on what is so important. And it’s the first thing to develop right? Inside your mom’s belly when you’re developing the brain’s there first and then now comes the spinal cord off of that and all the nerves. And cause it needs that energy, that healing energy to get from the brain down into create every cell tissue organ in the body. I mean you look at it is, it’s kind of taken a back seat though. I think it’s cause if we wore our brain on our face, most of us would take a lot better care of it because it’s hidden away. It’s in this big block of skull, you know, the spine or the spinal cord is encased in spine and bone. But again, that tells you how important it is. Not only how important it is and how fragile it is because it’s the only organ that’s all encased in bone. Okay. cause it’s gotta be protected. Let me think about football. Think about how much these concussions and traumatic brain injuries are such a huge effect on people’s lives. Again, it gives clues. Nature gives clues. So that’s why the brain is so important because in, in the, uh, kind of the last five, 10 years, other things have come more to the forefront. Like gut health. Most of us, and probably most of the listeners and viewers know and have heard about leaky gut and gut health and how that actually controls a lot, what’s happening in the body and that the 80% of the immune system is in the gut and the nervous system and there’s all these, the microbiome and genetic material and, and yes. I’m not saying it’s not important. It is definitely important. And when we address brain health, we absolutely addressing gut health. When we address the skin, when we address thyroid, we do it all together in a holistic fashion. Yeah, there’s actually a cardiologist that I treated in the past and when he came in her office, he’s like, it’s so cool how you guys put everything together and you focus on the entire health. And this is like holistic health care practitioners, naturopathic doctors, functional medicine doctors, chiropractors is, you want to get everything together. Not just focus on one thing. Because what he said is like somebody comes in, I look at the heart, that’s what he looks at all the blood vessels around the heart. But he loved the holistic approach that we take with it. And he equated that with, you know, you’re getting better and taking that on to wherever he’s going now. But yeah, so that’s why I feel the brain is so important is because no matter how much we say and science finds, okay, the gut sends more connections and more information up to the brain and the brain does down to the gut or to the thyroid or to the colon or to let’s say the spleen or liver, the brain has to control everything. It’s the conductor of the symphony In a sense says, okay, go here, do this, do that. So that’s why it’s so darn important.

Dr. Cates: Right. And like you said so much, a lot of the things that we do for our gut, we do for our skin, you know, at least from this holistic approach, are good things for the brain. When I’ve had people come on the podcast to talk about foods that are good for the brain, different things like, wait a minute, those are also good for the skin, you know, and no surprise, right? So it is important. And I think the thing that was really important, is that our brain, the functionality of our brain is so key. And especially as we get older, memory, focus, and then we’ve got a lot, we’ve always got more and more going on. It seems like, we’ve got kids and then our kids are getting older. It doesn’t just because we’re running, they’re not running around chasing him anymore. They’re teenagers and we have to deal with all, you know what that’s true and that our parents start aging and we’re taking care of them. We’re doing all these things. We’ve got to keep up. Our brains have to keep up with all that we’re doing. So what are some of the things that people like, so what are some, let’s dive into like what are key things that people can do to protect their brain, to optimize their, their performance and focus, memory, all of that.

Dr. Wohlfert: You know, the cool part about the brain to is in this day and age, again, just looking at machines and how they’re built and we’re remodeling our house in our kitchens or getting new appliances, looking for refrigerators. And most things are built for performance nowadays. So that means they don’t last as long because they get worn out. And sometimes that’s like phones. Everybody’s got to get the new iPhone every six months or a year. I don’t even have one. I got by with my android. But the key is, again, another reason I love the brain is we can build it for high energy, for high performance and for the long run. It’s not like we have to burn it out because of things that we can do to improve the performance of it are also things that we can do to help increase the longevity. And it’s not just about living a long time, it’s about having that active longevity or young Jevity. I’ve heard people call it. So there’s something I call the six pack of energy or the six pack of health and you know, I deal with and I help a lot of parents, so I call it the family six pack of health. So what can we do? So number one focus your mindset, that is more of the subconscious type thoughts. What are the things you’re telling yourself over and over again about your, let’s say your health. Do you believe that your body is, your brain, is going to break down as you age? Do you believe that it’s genetic? You believe that because your mom had cancer or dementia or Alzheimer’s that you’re going to get that too. So that, I mean that applies for health and applies for relationships and applies for fitness and finances it’s just the mindset that we take into life.

Dr. Wohlfert: That’s focus number two. Food or you could say even fuel. Yeah, fuel for the body. I don’t know if we have to go much into that, but food fuels the body, you know, food, it provides the raw materials, in its information. So if you put information in your body, it’s going to either build it up or it’s going to tear it down. Again, we’re doing a remodel on our house. If we used horrible materials to build walls and to build different rooms, it’s gonna wear out quicker. If we do that. Same thing with food. If we use poor quality, processed foods, hydrogenated oils instead of the good fats, Avocados, nuts and seeds, then it’s going to break down. So food, obviously that’s great for the brain, great for the gut, great for the skin. I mean, you know, skin is one for some people it’s the first place where it shows up where you know, what, there’s something wrong or some people it’s the last place. But skin is a great indicator of how great your food health is. Number three, fitness. Fitness, exercise, movement. Our body was made to move. And if you see me moving around a little bit is because I’m standing up, I’m doing this because I’ve been sitting down a little bit too much today, doing strategy sessions with clients. So fitness is so important. Getting up and moving every half hour to an hour. And if you can’t do that, you better reevaluate. You know, if you’re sitting down eight hours a day and getting up two or three, you know, one, you’re probably not drinking enough water to make you get up to go to the bathroom. Two, everything is just stagnating. And when things stagnate, it dies. Okay. Which that even goes into number four is your function. And by function, what I mean is your posture and nervous system, how well your nervous system flows. Because all function comes from the brain down through the spinal cord, inside the spine. So if your spine is trash, if you’re hunched over, if you’re constantly at, at your computer or laptop like this and typing or what do people do nowadays? We got their iPhone, smartphone. Holy Cow. Again, I’m trained as a chiropractor, so I noticed that so much it I just have to breathe in. All right. Tell maybe they don’t know. And in this goes back to they don’t know they’re doing it. They’re just in that position and whatever gets stuck there, stays there, puts a ton of stress on the spinal cord and decreases your function. Number five is what’s number five? Oh, refresh. So refresh is sleep. I couldn’t find an f word for sleep. So that’s why I had to, I had to use refresh. That is where, especially for the brain, it’s so important and that’s, you know, one thing that I can offer the listeners asleep checklist where they can download it. It’s like an easy checklist where it gives them tips on how to create the best quality sleep, not just, not just the quantity, but how to increase the quality of your sleep. Because sleep is where the brain regenerates, where it’s, where the brain basically drains all the gunk, the glymphatic system, which is the drainage system of the brain and the immune system gets it out of there. And so it’s not stagnated. So it gets out of out of there. Your brain can recover, rejuvenate, help to build healthy connections, healthy brain cells instead of just, you know, the dysfunctional ones. So sleep is so important.

Dr. Wohlfert: The last thing is faith. That’s the last f faith is your purpose. You know, what is your purpose? And you know my purpose. Yeah. Right now again, I evolve. You evolve the listener, they evolve. So it might change. But right now, I mean, the purpose that again, I learned from my grandparents or my parents watching them, my wife and their health struggles, the issues that I had when I was a kid, you know, having been sick all the time is I want to help. Yeah. All people, but especially parents, upgrade, elevate their brain health, their energy so they can perform well, make an impact in their life and in their family. So that’s my purposes is to help people do that because I hear so much, I just got off a call with one. She can just hear it in her voice, how she’s just kind of beat down. She’s 48 years old. Her energy’s low. She just, it’s been 20 years and she’s just getting drained. She doesn’t know what to do. She doesn’t know how to sleep. She doesn’t get good sleep or nutrition is not great. And even you hear from people who they do everything right and yet their energy is still bad. And so we just have to find out why. So those are the six pack of health, the six pack of energy that I do in my programs that I do with my health participants, clients, patients. So those are, yeah, that was a good overview of six things, but hopefully the listener got one or two tips out of that.

Dr. Cates: Yeah, absolutely. I love that. So what is it that people should experience if they’re embracing new things? What is, what is, I mean, you know, what is optimal? What do you look for that and that change for people?

Dr. Wohlfert: It’s almost, it’s hard to describe. You know, that’s how they describe it as, I cannot, it’s just the state of wellness, a state of wellbeing. Okay. And when I say energy, the first, you know, thought or image people might have is like just bouncing all over the wall or their kids if they have toddlers. I just can’t sit still and it’s not what I’m talking about, just that they’re at peace, they have energy. At the end of the day, they’re not, it’s almost like, what are they not, they’re not sitting down on the couch and fallen asleep at six o’clock after dinner. There. They’re able to do the hobbies. They’re able to contribute to the world. They’re able to fulfill their purpose. They’re able to volunteer if that’s what they want to do there. But that’s where that faith comes in. That’s where that purpose, a belief in a higher purpose. It doesn’t have to be religious, it doesn’t have to be spiritual, but it’s something like that. There’s a higher purpose that they’re able to fulfill. So it’s different for everybody. Well, let me ask you, what does it feel like for you?

Dr. Cates: I think a lot of times we think of the absence of certain things. Some of the typical things like fatigue and brain fog, mood imbalances, forgetfulness, these are all things that are associated with brain health and performance and the absence of that. But like you said, there’s, there’s something more than that. And it’s so, it’s not just the absence of symptoms or signs. You know, I think a lot of it is, I think we put a lot on to aging. Like, Oh, I’m just getting older. You know, you know, people will say whatever it is. I’m 30, I’m 40, I’m 40. And I’m like, there’s so much mindset in that. My mom is 78 now and she’s one of the most energetic people I know, you know, I know that it’s not age, it’s definitely not age. And part of it’s mindset, but we’ve got to do these things that you’re talking about to help support us. And I think there is this, this is the vitality that we can have and the focus and the energy and being able to live our life fully as we get older and to enjoy the things that we have worked so hard to achieve and our family, our friends and social travel, whatever it is and not have to feel stuck or limited.

Dr. Wohlfert: That was beautiful. I mean, you just said it all right there. That was awesome. You know, I was laughing and I don’t know if you could see me when you were talking about, I was laughing when you’re talking about when they get old, cause you’re right. People say that at 30 and 40 and 50 it’s like when I was 25 people say, well wait till you’re 30 you’ll feel like this. Okay, I got the 30, or 40 all right. I’m 43 right now. All right. Where is it? You know, I see a 48 year old, 55 year old. And I asked him, I say, so when I get to your age 55 or well, however old they are when they say it. Am I going to feel like you? Well, no. Okay. So then it’s not the age, it’s the sixth I believe it’s the six things that if I don’t take care of then yeah, there’s a better chance that I will feel less energetic, less vital, less healthy, have more symptoms, have more diseases growing inside my body that I didn’t even know until it’s too late. So yeah, I, I loved how you said that. You said it all right that you feel that stuck. It is almost like the absence of it is, it is what people normally, talk about why they feel so much better.

Dr. Cates: Yeah. So I wanna go back to food, because I get asked this all the time. And I know it’s always a hot topic. Our lives revolve a lot around food. What do you think are the best foods? And then I also want to hear what you think are the worst foods. And there are many that might surprise people?

Dr. Wohlfert: Hmm, well, bad, there’s probably a lot that surprises people. Yeah. For bad foods. You know, the funny part is when I was a kid and growing up and you know, yeah. Athletic and it’s still play sports, but not at the level I did was pizza was always considered like back in the 90s as one of the best foods that you could eat. I don’t know if you remember that as an athlete and that’s because there was, if you’re looking at the macro nutrients, and I’m not saying it’s good, I’m saying I’m the opposite. Okay. Just so the listeners don’t stop listening to that part. So he said, he said pizza’s good. No, no, no, no. I realized now how crazy that thinking is because it had the great amount of carbs and protein and fat. It’s just the wrong types of carbs, protein and fat, you know, cause there’s different types and some people will say, oh it’s all the same. Your body interprets it the same. Like no, not all calories are created equal. If a calorie is a calorie or if you know diet coke was great because it had no calories or as healthy because it had no calories than there’s smoking. It doesn’t have any calories. Right? So just just do that. Well we don’t do that.

Dr. Wohlfert: So the best foods, right? Fat Food, I, Yup. I eat a ton of fat. Yeah. I eat a ton of nuts. Cashews, walnuts. Again, nature gives clues. So we did the superhuman brand masterclass last year where we took people from know disorders and disease and dysfunction of their other brains and show them how to heal and upgrade and take it to the next level. And during that I explained, look at the foods that are good for your brain. Walnuts, Avocados. Looks like the brain, right? Look at it. It’s got all those nooks and crannies. It looks like the brain. Uh, I mean salmon is also great. Different spices, as many spices as you can muster. So I have a smoothie every day. I call it a a superhuman brain shake. Just a make it sound like it’s a shake, but I’ve been doing that for years. Oh my gosh. All right. So again, I have a template for that. If the viewer wants that. I start with a basic greens, so some type of Greens, whether it’s Swiss Chard, I mix it up and they got the mix it, they make it easy now because they’ve got those big tubs of organic spinach or Kale and 50/50 blend spring mix. So put a big handful of that in there. I make it for my wife, I make it for my kids. I don’t put all this, what I’m about to say in for my girls because they’re still, yeah, their taste buds are a little different. But I’ve increased over the years, so we’ve got the Greens. I have some type of like liquid base, whether it’s like almond milk, coconut milk, and, and I’m going to say this all organic as much as possible. That’s what I’ll put in mind. Well, water you can use, I even put this can count as the fat too. So raw eggs, raw organic eggs. I’ll crack in there. Yeah. But so then I’ll put a fat in there, whether it’s Chia seeds, flax seeds, just nut butters. Avocado, avocado makes it so creamy. That’s what it makes it a shake. So we got the fat, so that’s the third one, the protein. So it could be a protein powder, powder, bone broth, protein, plant based protein powder. Again, organic, organic, organic, frozen fruit. Usually stick with the berries, strawberries, blueberries, blackberries, blueberries, blackberries, especially. Great for the brain. What else do we get? We’ve got spices. Oh yeah. Spices. Turmeric, ginger, you can eat this fresh or the root. Cinnamon, you’re using cinnamon to help with blood sugar. And that’s what’s in it. So there’s the seventh one. That’s pretty good, right?

Dr. Cates: Yeah. That’s fantastic. I think there are a couple of things that you talked about smoothies. A lot of them, you know, a lot of people have heard before. Avocados and smoothies are so good and I have several recipes from my book that include Avocados and it does, it makes it like, it gives us nice texture. I do notice though that if you over blend it starts to get kind of funky. So I always throw the Avocados in last, you know, and then put, you know, like just, you know, blend at last. That’s just kind of what I’m going to some Avocados.

Dr. Wohlfert: What I’ve noticed too is Avocados really thicken it up cause I have like the Nutrininja so it’s a self serving ones. Yeah. So I’ll put like in one of those, maybe a half at the most and one of those single serving cups because or else it’s just, yeah.

Dr. Cates: Yeah. And then what you’re talking about spices and herbs. A lot of times people don’t think about putting those in smoothies, but I think most people are fine. And my recipes and my book, I put like herbs or spices and almost all of them because they add this interesting flavor to it that it makes the smoothie just that much more enjoyable. It’s not just something you have to down down but just enjoy it. Plus they come with a lot of health benefits of people don’t realize like you were talking cinnamon blood sugar balancing, turmeric anti inflammatory, means that I’ll put in Cilantro, which you know also as good detoxing and cleansing.

Dr. Wohlfert: I got to start incorporating more cilantro. My wife is not a big fan of it. Oh I just had that today in there. Yup.

Dr. Cates: That’s good for for Vitamin C. All of these things you are talking about are great for the brain are also great for the skin. The only one I would say is the eggs. I would say people have to of course be careful with raw eggs. If you’re going to do raw eggs it has to be very clean. Be Very careful with that. And then, but eggs can be a trigger food for some skin issues. I know eggs are generally cause of the Coleen are really good for the brain. They’re good brain food. So if somebody doesn’t react to eggs,
they’re a great power food for the brain.
Dr. Wohlfert: Exactly. It did. I was just gonna say that. I’m glad you mentioned that. I’m not telling anybody to put raw eggs in their smoothie. It’s just, it’s, I’ve been doing for years, I haven’t had any issues with it. I use organic eggs, so I know there’s, I just, I know they’re high quality eggs.

Dr. Cates: Okay, well that’s great. So the smoothies are such a great way to incorporate a lot of these things, especially for people who maybe don’t like to eat greens. I’ve actually heard a lot of people lately saying, I don’t really eat grains. I drank them. I’m like, well, however you get them in as is great.

Dr. Wohlfert: Yes, I agree. It’s at some point, you know, like as adults, and this is what I tell parents when I hear, oh, I don’t like vegetables, I’m like, grow up. I just kind of say it in my head. Like, come on, there’s gotta be something that you like it. If you can’t find anything, then I’m seriously worried because your taste buds are so screwed up by maybe the Diet that they are eating that we know, like as your diet changes in nutrition changes, as you incorporate more healthy foods into your life, your body and taste buds start to crave it, it wants more and more of that it starts to taste good. I like, I, I’ve been making smoothies for my wife, my wife, she’s not a big smoothie fan, but she knows how good they are and every, every so often and say, how was that one today? It’s just a smoothie that she knows is good for her. So she drinks it. It’s not like she’s choking it down, but some are worse than others. You know, I didn’t even answer it. Other certain foods, uh, I mean we went over the different foods that are good for the brain. Yeah. Are there certain ones that aren’t good that people think are good? Yeah, that’s a great question. I mean, one is like fruit juices. Yeah, no, that, that’s a huge one because people have fruit and just even fruit in general can sometimes be counterproductive. And let’s go back to the smoothie and shakes is, most people put a ton of fruit in there, but don’t put a lot of vegetables. But how, like you said is I’ll put celery in mine, I’ll put Broccoli and mine will put like green beans. It’s a great way to get your your Greens without even having to taste it. So start incorporating that in there more and you can still put the fruit in to help make it a little bit sweeter. I think people use too much fruit. It depends on what the goals are. Like for me, you know, I, I want to actually gain muscle gain weight sometimes. So it’s okay, but if you’re trying to lose weight, if you’re 50, 60 pounds overweight, you probably want to lower down on the, uh, on the, uh, fruit as much, especially tropical type fruit, pineapple, banana mango, and stick to more of the berries.

Dr. Cates: Yeah, I mean, I think with vegetables you just eat as many as you can see. Give it, I’m, I’m not worried about people letting me know. I think that having a couple servings of fruit a day is good, especially like berries and minds that aren’t, that don’t spike the blood sugar as much are great. I, a friend of mine is picking me up from the airport yesterday and he knew I had, you know, had much to eat and so he brought me a smoothie and he brought me one that he bought from the grocery store and I, and I was like, I looked at it and I looked at the sugar and the amount of sugar and that is 50 grams of sugar and this little smoothie and I, I felt kind of bad not drinking. I took a few sips but I explained to, and that I kind of explained to him like, you know, the problem is, is that they put so much fruit and especially bananas to kind of get it to taste sweet. But then you’ve got the amount of sugar as a soft drink, or more. And so you’re, you’re doing, you’re here, you are trying to do something healthy and you’re, and you’re actually not. And he said to me, but wait, it’s different kind of sugar because it’s fruit. And then I, you know, then we have, we talked about, but I mean as you know, but a lot of people don’t realize that that still is going to cause the blood sugar to increase.

Dr. Wohlfert: Well yeah, that’s causing the inflammation in the brain, which is the cause of 90% of the diseases that are killing us. Diabetes, the heart disease, the dementia or Alzheimer’s Metabolic Syndrome. So yes, it’s definitely plays a role. And it’s funny you mentioned that because I mentioned the fruit juices and you’re exactly right, like, like store bought smoothies, uh, even, you know, different smoothie chains we got to watch. What we get from them, and it reminded me again, 10 years ago I used to down these naked juices, I don’t know if you remember them.

Dr. Cates: Yep they’re still in there. That’s the one he brought me and I didn’t want to say their names. Yeah.

Dr. Wohlfert: Well yeah, I remember drinking those. And then finally looking at like, oh that’s, just a shock there.

Dr. Cates: They’re reading labels is important. What’s an, and then when you make your own, I think become more aware of what you’re actually putting into things. And again, I don’t, you know, I don’t want anybody to think that we are saying that fruit is bad. It’s just you want to limit it, get the right kinds of fruit. And especially if you have a tendency for fluctuations in your blood sugar, pay attention to that. Well this has been really great chatting. I’m it tell everybody where they can find out more about you.

Dr. Wohlfert: All right, so the best place to go is upgradedparents.com and you know for the listeners if they’re interested, I do meet one on one. I do like health consulting with a lot of parents. You don’t have to be a mom or a dad. But again that’s who I identify with, that’s why I really want to help. So if you can, the listeners, a parent who is struggling with their energy, who just struggled with their sleep and their nutrition and how to balance that all out in their life. Especially you said there’s different phases of life when you have kids. It’s like, oh, once they get to this age I’ll be able to do this. Well then this pops up and they’re in this activity. So I help people overcome that. I hop on calls with them like these 15 minute strategy sessions for free, complimentary, and they can go there and sign up for that.

Dr. Cates: Okay. Thanks Dr. Ryan for coming on.

Dr. Wohlfert: Oh, thank you.

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